Xedos 6 V6 automatik getribe probleme
 

Hallo ich bin eine dänisches mitglied von Xedos community.
Leider schreibe ich nicht sehr gut Deutsch, und versucht deshalb mit einem Thema in englischer Sprache mit meiner Frage zu stellen.
Aber Sie können naturlich in deutscher Sprache beantworten.
I am the (happy:() owner of an Xedos 6 V6 (1997) with automatic transmission.
I bought the car 3 1/2 years ago in Germany. The car has now only run 78.000 km.
Never had problems with the transmission. ATM oil never changed.
Four days ago I came back from a 250 km long trip on "autobahn" in 32 C. degrees ( a hot day).
When i entered my driveway to my house the car suddenly "bumped" when the transmission shifted to 1 gear.
I stopped the car and let it cool off. Oil is on the right level and RED. No smell of burned clutch, and NO leeks. When I press the shift-handle from PARK to N or further down to D -S or N the transmission makes "bumpy" noise and the car moves a little. Maked a test drive later. The car drives and shift to 2. and 3. gear. But when I take off speed, the transmission makes the same noise, and it is like it is going down in "ERROR MODE". Is that possible ?
Questions:
1. Can I find any error codes or (EOBC) that relate to the transmission.
2. Is it possible that the ATM malfunction has something to do with the speedregulator system, oil cooler, pump ???.
3. Can I be lucky to solve the problem by shifting the oil and filter.
3. Does all Xedos 6 produced from 1995 to 1999 have the same transmission.
Nice to know if i have to buy a used transmission. Xedos Shop writes that it is the same ?
4: Any solutions ?

Thank you for your time and possible answer.

Freundlichen Grüsse.

Xerik

kannst einen kompletten V6 automatik haben für 550 euro leder alles dabei !

Xedos 6 automatik getribe probleme
 

Danke - aber Ich suche erstens eine lösung für die automatikgetribe in meine sehr schöne und geliebtes auto, das mich nie zufor im steck gelassen haben!.
Ein automatik getribe tausch löst wielicht nicht das problem, wenn das Problem wielicht liegt außerhalb des Getriebes.
Aber danke für Ihren angebot.

Change the ATF-Filter & clean the magnets in the oilpan.
Make a COMPLETE ATF-change as described elsewhere here in older threads.
Ford used in some models the same ATX and recommends an ATF- & Filter-change every 40000 km.
To prevent overheating in the future, you may change the ATF-cooler to a bigger type.

so long,
John

Xedos 6 Automatik Getribe probleme
 

Hallo John
Thank´s for your fast answer.
I will do oilchange as you describe.
Fount the old thread :
http://www.xedos-community.de/showth...utomatik+%F6el

Do i use Dexron II or Dexron III transmission oil.
Mazda prescribes in the owners manual to use Dexron II.

Noch ein mahl - vielen danke für ihren antwort.

Erik:p

Det Xedrik
you may use Dexon II or III
Dexon III fulfilled and excel the spec of Dexon II.

CU:winke:
merlin.r

Danke Merlin !

I suggest you, to use Dexron III.

so long,
John

I thing too, Dexon III is the better choice

CU:winke:
merlin.r

Automatik getriebe kaput. Getriege esetzen !
 

Hello

Today I disassembled the automatic transmission sumb tub.

Sh.. (in German: Sch.... ) !!!
The transmission magnets was full of small iron parts- looked like a
hedgehog ( Igel ) and on the bottom i found at least 20 small
metal parts:

http://mpea.dk/xedos_kaput_getriebe_teile.htm


So there is no way out. The gearbox and converter
unfortunately have to be replaced.

I bought a "teilen spender auto" in Bremen last friday, and
it has a almost new automatic transmission. YES:p
Maybe lucky after all !

So this upcomming weekend we start replacing the transmission.
(I did it before on other cars, so it must be possible for me to do)

My questions (answers very welcome in german language)

1. It looks like it is possible to take the transmission out downwards
without taking the engine out. Anyone tryed to do this :?:
Any "easy way" or any "traps" or danger damaging any parts :?:

2. How do I release the "converter" from the chrankshaft together
with the automatic transmission. Is there a inspection hatch
so I can screw the bolts of the arms. How many bolts on the
flywheel to release to get the konverter off. :?:
(I want to exchange both konverter and gearbox as one part,
because I am sure the converter on my damaged geabox
probaly also is full of bad oil, shit and small metal parts !!)

3. Any things that I should be carefull or beware of in the process :?:
4. Does anyone have any #explosion drawings" of the gearbox and
converter or maybe a foto session shot in the process of replacing
the gearbox/converter - maybe "How to exchange the gearbox" :?:

Grüsse !

Xerik

Some Infos about the ATX-Internea you'll find here.

The thread contains a lot of links about our ATX, but I have nothing found about “How to replace”:(

CU:winke:
merlin.r

Well, your picture looks very bad! Metalpieces at the magnets are normal, but the bigger pieces suggest a seiruos damage.
So I assume, your decision to exchange the complete ATX, should be right.
It is possible, to change the ATX without to remove the engine, I did it myself at my X6S1.
Secure the engine by a traverse on top (not necessary to remove the bonnet).
Lift the car (front) to get a clearance of min. 60 cm to ground.
Remove the engine support, as you did to reach the oilpan.
Remove the cross member.
Emptying the ATX oil pan and remove the universal joints (at the differential side).
Secure the differential holes by appropriate round pieces to prevent the differential pinions to fall out of position during the further works!
Remove all cable brackets, connection hoses, the bowdencable for the driving position, electrical connections, etc.. It is not neccessary to remove the starter motor.
Secure the ATX on top preferable with a pulley tackle hosted by the above mentioned traverse to secure the engine.
Remove ALL engine supports. Remove ALL bolts between transmission-bell housing & engine.
On the lower side of the transmission-bell housing you will find a access cover, thru wich you get access to the flywheel bolts.
You need to turn the engine (preferable by using the bolt at the crankshaft belt pulley) to reach all flywheel bolts.
Move the engine to the right side, as far as possible, to get more space at the ATX-side.
Detract the transmission-bell housing from the engine.
Beware of losing the torque-converter!
Lowering the ATX-unit preferable to a rolling-support and take it to your workshop.

To get the replacement mounted, do anything in reverse order.

so long,
John

P.S. If you like, I can give you some pictures from my swap via email.

Automatic Transmission replacement
 

Thank you to Merlin.r :p and a special thanks to JWBehrendt :p

I guess that´s all I need to know to go ahead with the project.
It looks relative easy.

JWBehrendt - if You don´t mind, I would like to se your photos.
Mail: erik-a SNAKE mpea.dk

I will try to take pictures too, so the Xedos Wiki can be updated
on automatic / transmission "swap" replacement, if anyone have
interest in that issue in the future. !

I will return here with result !

Xerik.

Thank you Xerik, we all have interest to see the pictures and are happy if you could share your experience in this.

Best Regards,

Street

Do you mean erik@mpea.dk?

Would be nice, to see your pics, too.
I've found TRANSMISSION REMOVAL-INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS in english, think it will be interesting to you, too. It's not especially for our x6, but for Mazda in general (I should have that when I swapped the ATX!). Due to the fact, that our GF4A-EL was used in the Mazda Millenias (Xedos), 626, MPV and Ford Probe II, it should be feasible for us.
I'll send it with the pics.
The pics & instructions is some 60MB, so I have to split it in 2 or 3 parts.

so long,
John

Hallo JWBehrendt

TNX - I will look in my mailbox later today when I come back from work.

Starting tomorrow to take out the engine and transmission
from the "teilen spender" auto. So the ATX is not taken out downwards (decending).
I just take the car apart "bit by bit" in the engine room, and remove
engine with ATX and the undercarriage (mit die ganze Fahrwerk) in one part !
Have to take it apart for spare parts anyway. (take pics)

Monday or Tuesday I put my "own" X6 on a 4-point lift
at one of my friends auto garage, so It will be easyer handle the engine to take
out the ATX on my "own" X6, before I put in the ATX from the "teilen spender" auto. (take pics)

I know this is not FACEBOOK or Twitter, but maybe other X6-owners might find this usefull later on
:roll:

Xerik.

Hallo JWBehrendt

TNX - I will look in my mailbox later today when I come back from work.

-------------------


I start tomorrow taking out the engine & ATX from the "teilen spender" auto.
So the ATX is not taken out downwards (decending) on that car..
I just take the car apart "bit by bit" in the engine room, and remove
engine with ATX and the undercarriage (mit die ganze Fahrwerk) in one part !
Have to take it apart for spare parts anyway. (take pics)

Monday or Tuesday I put my "own" X6 on a 4-point lift at one of my friends auto garage, so It will be easyer handle the engine to take out the ATX on my "own" X6, before I put in the ATX from the "teilen spender" auto. (take pics)

I know this is not FACEBOOK or Twitter, but maybe other X6-owners might find this usefull later on
:roll:

Xerik.

To John.


No - it is: erik-aSNABELmpea.dk

SNABEL means: @

Doing this to prevent SPAM in my mail account :fluester:

Car almost breaked apart
 

Today I started braking the spare part "X6 donor car"
Apart from a lot of trouble getting the front bumper off - the rest of
the breaking went as expected. But not as easy as expected.

"There is a LOT of cable connectors to separate !!!!!!!

Later when I separate the cable connectors on my own car,
I will make sure to mark each and every one with "GAFFA TAPE" and
numbers. So - take care disconnecting the cable connectors.
Take it easy - or they will brake in the lock.

Make sure to prepair bottles and such to collect the FLUIDS floating from
detached pipes and hoses s.a. : brakes, steering, transmission, and
gasoline.

In all - I got a lot of well kept spare parts to use on my car in the future. !
Not bad.........

So - now ready to take the automatic transmission of tomorrow - Sunday.

Tuesday I make my own car ready to recieve the automatic transmission
from the "donor car".

"Yes- it was a hard day at the office"

" X6 donor car" -l almost breaked apart
 

Today I started braking the spare part "X6 donor car"
Apart from a lot of trouble getting the front bumper off - the rest of
the breaking went as expected. But not as easy as expected.

"There is a LOT of cable connectors to separate !!!!!!!

Later when I separate the cable connectors on my own car,
I will make sure to mark each and every one with "GAFFA TAPE" and
numbers. So - take care disconnecting the cable connectors.
Take it easy - or they will brake in the lock.

Make sure to prepair bottles and such to collect the FLUIDS floating from
detached pipes and hoses s.a. : brakes, steering, transmission, and
gasoline.

In all - I got a lot of well kept spare parts to use on my car in the future. !
Not bad.........

So - now ready to take the automatic transmission of tomorrow - Sunday.

Tuesday I make my own car ready to recieve the automatic transmission
from the "donor car".

"Yes- it was a hard day at the office"

Pics (fotos) braking a X6 - V6
 

Sorry, :doh:- forgot the link to pics braking my X6 today.


http://www.mpea.dk/Xedos_engine_out.htm

ok erik,
going to upload the stuff.

so long,
John

Alles ist weg !!!
 

"Ach du lieber Augustin - Alles ist "......

http://mpea.dk/Xedos_alles_weg.htm

Now the car is ripped for all usable parts except front and rear windows.
Take them out later with a piano string.

Tomorrow - monday - we start with my own car.

Grüsse

Xerik.

Removal instructions
 

Tnx - John for the removal instructions and pics.
Awesome help to me.

Xerik.:p

Xedos 6 automatic gearbox changed and running
 

Finished changing automatic gearbox :)

It is running smoth ! YES :p

http://mpea.dk/Xedos_gearbox_in.htm


Thank´s to all the help from the Xedos Community.

"Xerik"

Congratulations!

Thanks a lot for the nice pictures.
If you allow we could also implement them in the FAQ.

Have a good time in Italy!


You re shure you filled up some ATX oil before starting the engine?:D just kidding.

I recommend not to floor it for a couple of hundred kms to allow the new material to break in.

FAQ
 

:) Streethawk - You and other members are welcome to use the pics if you find them usefull for other Xedos owners.
Be welcome to download from the earlier links to my homepage www.mpea.dk.

The gearbox has run a little less than 10000, so it is not new.
Yes - I will check the oil level on it several times on the trip to be shure. ! ;)

And I won´t "floor it", anyway not the first 1000 km.

This is my last answer for the next 3. weeks - just so you know.

Best regards

Erik.

I wish you a safe & troublefree journey and a relaxing holiday!
Let us know about your experience.

so long,
John

After 2300 km.
 

Hi John.

Arrived in Umbria Italy saturday 16PM. as expected.
My Xedos has been running smoth and the aut. transmission too.!
No problems what so ever. !:)

We have free wireless Internet connection in our appartment.
Nice surprice.

Took a pic. of my X6 at the Trasimeno Lake.

http://www.mpea.dk/Xedos_umbria.htm

Regards.

Xerik